Swinging Between Illusion and Reality
2005.07.05 1:40

In perception -My reality is not very bad, but still I like dreaming illusion -the moment we see once again. I am sure we see sometime in future, but I will return to the reality now I have. Probably we might feel nostalgia, but that keeps on what as it is. To tell the truth, nobody knows what will become of when we see once again. Anticipation impossible.
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Speaking of illusion and reality(Score:2)
by Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) * <seebert@seeberfamily.org> on 2005.07.05 5:00 (#12981094) (http://www.informationr.us/ Last Journal: 2005.09.28 6:49)
This is something that came up in a conversation the other day. The American Dream, when I was growing up, was for your kids to do better than you did. This was true right up until the 1970s- since then we've had 2 generations slide backwards economically- and many people are angry that reality did not measure up to their expectations.I remember studying Japan growing up in the 1970s and 1980s, and recognizing that there was a similar Japanese Dream- young men were trained to work in the same field as their fathers, and if they acted honorably, the corporations would reward them with lifetime employment.I was wondering- in recent years of corporate wrongdoing and extreme crashes of the Japanese economy, how has the Japanese Dream faired? Is it in as bad of shape as the American Dream is? Or has honor prevailed over profit- leading to a kinder, gentler corporate image?--Two chances to become a Dictator- and Bush blew them both!
Re:Speaking of illusion and reality(Score:1)
by mercedo (822671) on 2005.07.05 20:12 (#12983973) (http://slashdot.org/~mercedo/journal/109855 Last Journal: 2005.09.27 11:22)
As you know, large portion of population in Japan came from Korea, but there's a basic difference. Korea was developed as a lineage based society, as a matter of fact, all the number of surnames Korean has counts just 100, as opposed to Japanese example, 150,000 (I think Anglo-Saxons are about 15,000 ) basically due to some surnames are directly derived from their profession, (for example, Baker, Thatcher, Smith are the examples of these.) There are many surnames named after their professions in Japan, mainly when Korean people arrived from peninsula to archipelago, they had to abandon thier lineage -national background and when they started being admired by the skill of their profession, they had been gradually recognised as a Japanese citizen.
What you described as a Japan Dream is not now but a typical feature from 1603 to 1868( Edo period ), those days strict 4 caste system -1 warrior, 2 farmer, 3 craftsman, 4 merchant, besides 5 outcastes, 6 not a man maybe imperial family are thought be be more than the first class ) was kept. After 1868, all those classes except imperial family and 5, 6 were eliminated. So since then master-apprentice system was remained in a limited field -e.g. kabuki, porceline, but in the entire fields from the rest of these few examples, it is not exaggerating to say Japan Dream is directly related to the pursuit of happiness and success of the individuals - not successions.--Ancient Greek Philosophers -18c Enlightenment Thinkers -Slashdotters [ Parent ]
Re:Speaking of illusion and reality(Score:2)
by Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) * <seebert@seeberfamily.org> on 2005.07.06 4:20 (#12987884) (http://www.informationr.us/ Last Journal: 2005.09.28 6:49)
I guess what I was trying to get at was the basic social contract. Here in America, there was an implied contract between children and parents- the parents would sacrifice for the children to get a better education, which would in turn lead to a higher level of income, and the children would use that income to take care of the parents.Japanese version used to be, ages ago, the corporation would become the family- and in return, the corporation would take care of your family. This would inspire a loyalty unheard of in America- nobody here would ever work themselves to death, but managers and executives in Japan back in the 1980s were having heart attacks at their desks from stress.What I wanted to know was: Did the corporations follow through with their part of the equation? Has the loyalty been repaid? Or is it like in America, where the high education just means your skills are obsolete that much faster- and you are in turn considered obsolete and thrown out onto the street long before you can apply for a pension?--Two chances to become a Dictator- and Bush blew them both! [ Parent ]
Re:Speaking of illusion and reality(Score:1)
by mercedo (822671) on 2005.07.08 0:06 (#13003653) (http://slashdot.org/~mercedo/journal/109855 Last Journal: 2005.09.27 11:22)
I am not eligible to say something about Japan Inc. , I am neither working in a company nor have worked more than one year in the same company. And I've never hoped to work in a company first of all.
So following statement is entirely based on mere assumption. I guess in Japan still life time employment and order by the years of those who are employed - the longer they are employed the higher their salary is and in sequence they promote, are prevailed. I used to read about the articles in which they say in Japan's company, in their twenties and thirties they work twice, in their forties they work 1.5 times, in their fifties they work as they are paid, in their sixties they work less than they are paid.
I think Americanised employment system has been embraced in some companies in Japan or in part embraced in a company, but overall majority of Japanese company still rigidly holds this enterprise tradition regardless of whether it's good or bad.--Ancient Greek Philosophers -18c Enlightenment Thinkers -Slashdotters [ Parent ]
Re:Speaking of illusion and reality(Score:2)
by Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) * <seebert@seeberfamily.org> on 2005.07.08 3:35 (#13006116) (http://www.informationr.us/ Last Journal: 2005.09.28 6:49)
Amazing- but it does show one reason why the Japanese are not as disillusioned with capitalism as many in the United States are. Of course, in the US, we have a major corruption problem in campaign financing, so it's unlikely that any of the problems regular people have with capitalism will be fixed within our lifetimes.I think I'd rather live under the Japanese system, where there is still honor and trust between employee and employer. But I've chosen an industry (computer programming) which discourages such trust.--Two chances to become a Dictator- and Bush blew them both!